How would a tune affect my warranty?

[ford20]

From what I've been able to find, this is only available for the GT, right? I've got a 2012 V6.
Yes but it's very hard to be able to prove one way or another that a tune may or may not have caused an engine failure. Even with that law I've seen Ford and/or dealers (even other manufacturers) wiggle out of paying for things under warranty. I guess I'd just rather not play games with the warranty on my engine as that's probably the most expensive part in my car to replace. That and my Mustang is currently my daily driver.

I see something on the Ford Racing site for the V6. But if you are worried about this American Muscle warranties all of the tunes they write now. So if something breaks and Ford goes it was bc of the tune AM will step in and take care of the problem out of their pocket. This is what I took out of what they said to allegations that their tunes were popping #8's

Ask AM and see if that would apply to your car, but than again now you would be out of the Ford Warranty.

 

[rw0640]

Dealerships should stop being douchebags.

AM is awesome.

 

[ford20]

Dealerships should stop being douchebags.

AM is awesome.

Dealerships aren't being douchbags, they get paid for warranty work only if Ford ok's the work that they have done. It is very simple, if you want to mod your car you can. Ford isn't going to stop you but if something breaks don't go whining to them like a 2 year old who just had his lollipop taken away from him. It is in black and white in the contract that you signed when you bought your car that if you mod your car you void your factory warranty.

Ford spends hundreds of millions and sometimes billions of dollars hiring engineers and developing and testing and redeveloping and re testing products so it meets their specifications as well as the governments and other countries governments safety, and emission standards.

I get it, as Mustang owners we love customizing our cars and making them even more powerful than when they left the factory. It's something we love and always will love, its our hot rodding spirit. But from the showroom floor you have the best performing base Mustang ever as well as the greatest GT Mustang ever produced along with the Most powerful production V8 ever built. The current lineup is one of the best "Muscle car" lineups ever put out by any automobile manufacturer since Karl Benz made his first car. Ford Engineering put a shit ton of money into the development of the 3.7L, coyote, road runner, condor motors as well as transmissions, suspensions and drivetrain combos for the Mustang. Why would they honor a warranty when the original parameters of a great performing car were altered?

Sorry for the rant but I hate it when people start bitching about how their warranty is voided and saying Ford sucks when they themselves voided their own warranty knowing what was going to happen if something broke. Yes I modded my car but I spent the extra money and lost some performance just so I could keep my warranty and I am perfectly happy with the decision I made.

 

[rw0640]

It is in black and white in the contract that you signed when you bought your car that if you mod your car you void your factory warranty.

No it's probably not because that would clearly violate the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act. We have a legal right to modify our vehicles with any brand part. If what we add breaks it and can be proven that was the issue then fine you can't complain. Otherwise the Federal Govt should protect us regardless whether it's Ford or the Dealership.

 

[Kevin @ Wicked]

No it's probably not because that would clearly violate the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act. We have a legal right to modify our vehicles with any brand part. If what we add breaks it and can be proven that was the issue then fine you can't complain. Otherwise the Federal Govt should protect us regardless whether it's Ford or the Dealership.

You are protected under the M-M Act, but there is also stipulations to protect the maker of the vehicle. Lets not make this into a mud slinging coversation about "dealers" sucking. I personally NOW work out of one and enjoy the benefits of running the performance aspect of it while also protecting Ford's assets and MY job by making sure individuals aren't abusing policies.

Back in the day I had my own thoughts about "stealerships" and the shit I thought goes on there. I was very surprised after coming to work for Sansone and bringing my shop here that all my conceptions were wrong. Id put the skills of 90% of the shop here against any "garage" on a Ford to Ford playfield. The database and tools we have provided, as well as the field engineers to assist us cant be beat. I learn every day here on multiple platforms. This pays dividends on my performance background and makes me a better tech etc.

The newer pcm's are far more advanced from just a few years ago and alot of "Tooning" thats going on out there by various mail order shops etc do induce issues that can lead to failures. Anyone running 26* or more timing on your coyote are playing russian roulette with your motor. I know 70% of the tunes out there in circulation push that envelope. Failures of #8 were not by chance....the new motor is VERY sophisticated and has INDIVIDUAL cylinder requirements. Some cylinders cant tolerate the same timing as others and Ford tunes each cylinder as its self. Not a blanket calibration.

Even the stick cars...the mt82.....who knows what the weak points are of it, it hasnt been in circulation long enough. But you bet your ass if you increase power from 370rw to over 400rw NA and bang gears...Ford will have an issue if they have to replace trans that fail that ordinarily wouldnt at the previous power level.

All im saying....DEVELOP a good relationship with a dealership, be smart about your mods, don't come in waving that M-M Act demanding justice, and take in consideration of all parties involved and im sure you will coexist happily with the dealership of your choice. WE ALL arent evil

Im proud to work for one, especially after coming from a garage/shop background. Theres a much bigger picture I had to open my eyes to.

Kevin @ Sansone Ford/Wicked Motorsports

 

[ford20]

You are protected under the M-M Act, but there is also stipulations to protect the maker of the vehicle. Lets not make this into a mud slinging coversation about "dealers" sucking. I personally NOW work out of one and enjoy the benefits of running the performance aspect of it while also protecting Ford's assets and MY job by making sure individuals aren't abusing policies.

Back in the day I had my own thoughts about "stealerships" and the shit I thought goes on there. I was very surprised after coming to work for Sansone and bringing my shop here that all my conceptions were wrong. Id put the skills of 90% of the shop here against any "garage" on a Ford to Ford playfield. The database and tools we have provided, as well as the field engineers to assist us cant be beat. I learn every day here on multiple platforms. This pays dividends on my performance background and makes me a better tech etc.

The newer pcm's are far more advanced from just a few years ago and alot of "Tooning" thats going on out there by various mail order shops etc do induce issues that can lead to failures. Anyone running 26* or more timing on your coyote are playing russian roulette with your motor. I know 70% of the tunes out there in circulation push that envelope. Failures of #8 were not by chance....the new motor is VERY sophisticated and has INDIVIDUAL cylinder requirements. Some cylinders cant tolerate the same timing as others and Ford tunes each cylinder as its self. Not a blanket calibration.

Even the stick cars...the mt82.....who knows what the weak points are of it, it hasnt been in circulation long enough. But you bet your ass if you increase power from 370rw to over 400rw NA and bang gears...Ford will have an issue if they have to replace trans that fail that ordinarily wouldnt at the previous power level.

All im saying....DEVELOP a good relationship with a dealership, be smart about your mods, don't come in waving that M-M Act demanding justice, and take in consideration of all parties involved and im sure you will coexist happily with the dealership of your choice. WE ALL arent evil

Im proud to work for one, especially after coming from a garage/shop background. Theres a much bigger picture I had to open my eyes to.

Kevin @ Sansone Ford/Wicked Motorsports

All of this!

Yes the Magnuson Moss Act does allow you to use aftermarket or recycled parts. But if the aftermarket part that you installed caused the problem that you are having than you are SOL as your warranty will be voided. Ford spends a lot of money researching and developing the new 5.0 and they continue to develop it to improve it and make it better and more reliable for the customers. Like Kevin said the new copperhead PCM is very advanced and Ford spent a lot of time in R & D developing it specifically for the Mustang to allow it to perform a certain way and achieve a certain amount of MPG. By running an aftermarket tune either a dyno or email tune you fuck with those calibrations. All Ford has to do is plug your car into your computer pull the files and see that you tuned your car (even if you think you are slick and return with the stock tune) and go well you uploaded the tune and you changed the engine parameters we can't cover this. A tune would void your powertrain warranty especially in an auto transmission car where you can adjust the shift points, suspension mods could void your suspension warranty because now you changed the geometry of the suspension.

IIRC the reason why people were popping their #8s was because the tuners were messing with the Knock sensors and advancing the timing and causing the #8 piston to weaken and the ringland would give out and thats all she wrote. So should Ford cover this error? No, I don't think should buy you a new engine to install because of this issue.

Your Ford dealer is your friend, they have always treated me right no matter where I went to. Everyone there loved my car whether it was the dealer I bought my car from or the dealer I took it to up in school. They always tried to help me out as best as they could because I would go in there and just talk to them or the salesmen and see how things were going or see a new car they got it or just shoot the shit for a while. Gain a good rapport with them and they will help you out when they can. They want your business again, that's how they make money and gain customers.

Sorry to muck up the thread everyone

 

[rw0640]

Right, I just wouldn't like being told "oh you changed something, warranty voided" If you can provide how it caused damage then I would deal with it, it was the risk I took. I was only implying dealerships, who right off the bat tell you your warranty is void... also it depends who you ask I've had varying responses from my dealership as to whether mods were ok or not.

To avoid the potential headache go with the Ford stuff, it will be more conservative and apparently with the 5.0 for good reason.

 

[03SONIC]

According to the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act they can't void your warranty if you use non-Ford branded aftermarket parts unless the aftermarket part caused the damage.





Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tunes melt things when not done correct and per the PPM of Ford anything done or altered can and may void your warranty, its up to the dealership so if warranty is your concern. Be careful or develope a decent relationship with a ford dealer, it wont hurt long term.

 

[03SONIC]

Dealerships should stop being douchebags.

AM is awesome.

Not sure where this came from. It is our job to protect the assets of the dealership and FMC when you sign up and work for a dealership. Most the time when a part fails, we have to send it back to FMC and they test it and do a investigation as to why it failed, this is how they can make better parts and have happier customers. If you think a dealership sucks because you want them to perform fraud, well thats pretty crappy. If you are caught doing fraud you are terminated and can be banned from working at another FMC Dealership. Unless someone is going to pay my bills and support my family if this happens, call us what you want. I am sure if the shoe was on the other foot, you would understand. It is a fine line we walk to please everyone. The customer and FMC.

 

[rw0640]

Not sure where this came from.

Forgive my angry post. It was out of line. I don't want them to commit fraud, just be honest, did this really break because of my aftermarket part? If yes, then fine.

My dealership told me putting gears on will void my warranty. That's wrong. I should still have coverage. Now, If I come in and my gears shredded my rear end then yea, I wouldn't expect them to cover it.

Edit: Just noticed this was in a vendor specific forum (arrived from a tweet). I apologize to the guys at Sansone Ford this wasn't in any way directed at you. I'll stop mucking up your thread

 

[Kevin @ Wicked]

Forgive my angry post. It was out of line. I don't want them to commit fraud, just be honest, did this really break because of my aftermarket part? If yes, then fine.

My dealership told me putting gears on will void my warranty. That's wrong. I should still have coverage. Now, If I come in and my gears shredded my rear end then yea, I wouldn't expect them to cover it.

Edit: Just noticed this was in a vendor specific forum (arrived from a tweet). I apologize to the guys at Sansone Ford this wasn't in any way directed at you. I'll stop mucking up your thread

Don't sweat it. This is a good thread with ALOT of good info. Thats what we are here for, to help and educate. Let us know if there is anything we can do to help you or have you become a customer of ours.

Kevin @ Sansone Ford/Wicked Motorsports

 

[Unrealford]

You are protected under the M-M Act, but there is also stipulations to protect the maker of the vehicle. Lets not make this into a mud slinging coversation about "dealers" sucking. I personally NOW work out of one and enjoy the benefits of running the performance aspect of it while also protecting Ford's assets and MY job by making sure individuals aren't abusing policies.

Back in the day I had my own thoughts about "stealerships" and the shit I thought goes on there. I was very surprised after coming to work for Sansone and bringing my shop here that all my conceptions were wrong. Id put the skills of 90% of the shop here against any "garage" on a Ford to Ford playfield. The database and tools we have provided, as well as the field engineers to assist us cant be beat. I learn every day here on multiple platforms. This pays dividends on my performance background and makes me a better tech etc.

The newer pcm's are far more advanced from just a few years ago and alot of "Tooning" thats going on out there by various mail order shops etc do induce issues that can lead to failures. Anyone running 26* or more timing on your coyote are playing russian roulette with your motor. I know 70% of the tunes out there in circulation push that envelope. Failures of #8 were not by chance....the new motor is VERY sophisticated and has INDIVIDUAL cylinder requirements. Some cylinders cant tolerate the same timing as others and Ford tunes each cylinder as its self. Not a blanket calibration.

Even the stick cars...the mt82.....who knows what the weak points are of it, it hasnt been in circulation long enough. But you bet your ass if you increase power from 370rw to over 400rw NA and bang gears...Ford will have an issue if they have to replace trans that fail that ordinarily wouldnt at the previous power level.

All im saying....DEVELOP a good relationship with a dealership, be smart about your mods, don't come in waving that M-M Act demanding justice, and take in consideration of all parties involved and im sure you will coexist happily with the dealership of your choice. WE ALL arent evil

Im proud to work for one, especially after coming from a garage/shop background. Theres a much bigger picture I had to open my eyes to.

Kevin @ Sansone Ford/Wicked Motorsports

Great info!! What if I bought the Idle tune from Steeda, would that void my warranty on my Boss?
Its a tune only for a aggressive idle, will they know its not a performance tune.?

 

[ford20]

Great info!! What if I bought the Idle tune from Steeda, would that void my warranty on my Boss?
Its a tune only for a aggressive idle, will they know its not a performance tune.?

I think it might since in the ghost cam tune you are messing with the TIVVT and thus the original engine parameters but I have never seen anyone have any troubles with a Lund Ghost Cam tune. What about Track Key? Isn't that supposed to give the Boss a lopey idle?

I would say your best bet would be to ask your local dealer they may not have any issues with it though.

 

[AnthonyNoz]

I have 3:31s but i want 3:73s i
Know i need a tune would a dealer be able to install the gear and tune it? And keep my warranty?

 

[Kevin @ Wicked]

I have 3:31s but i want 3:73s i
Know i need a tune would a dealer be able to install the gear and tune it? And keep my warranty?

We can take care of you with that

 

[Kevin @ Wicked]

I think it might since in the ghost cam tune you are messing with the TIVVT and thus the original engine parameters but I have never seen anyone have any troubles with a Lund Ghost Cam tune. What about Track Key? Isn't that supposed to give the Boss a lopey idle?

I would say your best bet would be to ask your local dealer they may not have any issues with it though.

Ford put a squash to anyone "offering" the lopey idle tune. All parties involved were asked to cease and desist. Im sure Ford would have an issue if motor failures could be tied to it. The track key idle is no where as aggressive as some of the tunes floating around out there. I just had a laguna seca on the dyno.....box stock with track key put down 390rw. About 20rw more than a stock 5.0

 

[ford20]

Ford put a squash to anyone "offering" the lopey idle tune. All parties involved were asked to cease and desist. Im sure Ford would have an issue if motor failures could be tied to it. The track key idle is no where as aggressive as some of the tunes floating around out there. I just had a laguna seca on the dyno.....box stock with track key put down 390rw. About 20rw more than a stock 5.0

Wow, I didn't know that. Thank You for the info

 

[Unrealford]

Ford put a squash to anyone "offering" the lopey idle tune. All parties involved were asked to cease and desist. Im sure Ford would have an issue if motor failures could be tied to it. The track key idle is no where as aggressive as some of the tunes floating around out there. I just had a laguna seca on the dyno.....box stock with track key put down 390rw. About 20rw more than a stock 5.0

Steeda just released a Trackey Loopey Idle for 90.00$

 

[Kevin @ Wicked]

Steeda just released a Trackey Loopey Idle for 90.00$

im sure they just did a read off a boss with track key and copied it. Ford may allow this. I know theres the other tunes circulating still but Ford got real pissed early on. I dont care for it, it affects the fueling at idle and will only come into affect if the vehicle is at a complete stop.

 

[rw0640]

im sure they just did a read off a boss with track key and copied it. Ford may allow this. I know theres the other tunes circulating still but Ford got real pissed early on. I dont care for it, it affects the fueling at idle and will only come into affect if the vehicle is at a complete stop.

Are there ford approved cams that go in to get the sound for real?