Been racing some of the cars around town and were all pretty close 12 sec cars...looking for something a little more. and ik its going 2 be tough going about it with stock internals but i just want a little more hp... ik nothing about the methonal and just was curious about it?..can ne-1 explain it for me and tell me if it's worth it for me to do it?
Methonal injection?
- Thread starter Chuckie B
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Sounds like we may have been to the same tuner. lol I had an similar experience with a tuner in CT (who will remain nameless to keep this thread out of the mud) who would not tune w/ meth. Even without the meth he was ultra-conservative. Even though I was paying him he wouldn't budge - my avg a/f was 11.0 and 10.8 @ WOT. I ended up brining it somewhere else and still keeping it safe and nowhere near the edge (same a/f #s with the meth) leaned it out some and got me more power.
yah i understood that the meth itself isnt what gets the hp. just was curious how to go about it. thankss
hmm...lol now idk wut i wanna do..ne suggestions on getting me some more hp?.. could do longtubes & o/r pipe but is it worth the loss in torque and not much of a hp gain?. idk i raced a local vert stang with spray and were dead even so i need more without risking blowing her up.
hmm...lol now idk wut i wanna do..ne suggestions on getting me some more hp?.. could do longtubes & o/r pipe but is it worth the loss in torque and not much of a hp gain?. idk i raced a local vert stang with spray and were dead even so i need more without risking blowing her up.
Hey Chuckie,
I have a Alky Control Methanol Kit that runs 100%; pure methanol, no water mixed in.. Water just kills engine parts and such when mixed with Meth.
To give you an idea, I was at 8 pounds of boost and at 354HP to the wheels with a Vortech V3. After the methanol kit and turning the s/c up to 12 pounds of boost, I left my tuner with 471RWHP at the wheels. It was actually de-tuned from 515RWHP because of the block.
The advantages of Methanol is:
A. Reduces IAT's
B. Reduces Cylinder Head temperature + pressure
C. Turns 93 Gas into 109 Octane gas
The disadvantages are:
A. You have to fill it up once a week or so (only 4 bucks a gallon but just a pain to have to add a fluid somewhere else).
B. Long trips can be a pain because if you run out you can't get into boost anymore (Which means always carry some with you if your going on a cruise, but in all honesty I go through a gallon a week so not bad).
As for the kits... Snow performance is a good kit but not by any means close to quality like Alky control. I have two LEDs in my car, one that tells me when I am starting to get low on Methanol and one that turns red (Pressure tests each time I get near boost to check everything) and turns green to let me know it's active. Fail safe for the kit is awesome and it's the only real kit that you can run 100% pure methanol with... Snow recommends you run 50/50 because their pump cannot handle the strength of straight meth.
As for tuning, my tuner built in safety in his tune so that if for some reason your IAT's raise (Because you forgot your low level was on and it can't spray) it will not advance the timing and your car will just bog down. It won't hurt anything since it's a fail safe.
The tuner I went to and recommend is Lidio visit his site http://www.alternativeauto.com/
To be honest, he sat with me in the car tuning it for about 6 hours and I paid the same price another tuner in our area charges. His site has a section dedicated to methanol injection and he has put it on at least 100 cars with no issues at all for the last 3 or 4 years. I will NEVER go to ANY tuner other then him and I prob. will end up going back in the winter time because he is going to end up building my short block with forged internals. In all seriousness, he is the most thorough tuner that I know of and someone who actually cares about his customer's cars like I said 6 hours he spent with me on the Dyno for about $500 bucks- He explained everything he changed in the tune and even took me out for a test drive in it and then switched seats and let me take it out to make sure everything was running good and no issues.
If you have any other questions, ask here or email me
EDIT: I should also advise you that if your not boosting you are not shooting methanol obviously, just so you know. Also, right now in the city and thruway I get 18 miles to the gallon
I have a Alky Control Methanol Kit that runs 100%; pure methanol, no water mixed in.. Water just kills engine parts and such when mixed with Meth.
To give you an idea, I was at 8 pounds of boost and at 354HP to the wheels with a Vortech V3. After the methanol kit and turning the s/c up to 12 pounds of boost, I left my tuner with 471RWHP at the wheels. It was actually de-tuned from 515RWHP because of the block.
The advantages of Methanol is:
A. Reduces IAT's
B. Reduces Cylinder Head temperature + pressure
C. Turns 93 Gas into 109 Octane gas
The disadvantages are:
A. You have to fill it up once a week or so (only 4 bucks a gallon but just a pain to have to add a fluid somewhere else).
B. Long trips can be a pain because if you run out you can't get into boost anymore (Which means always carry some with you if your going on a cruise, but in all honesty I go through a gallon a week so not bad).
As for the kits... Snow performance is a good kit but not by any means close to quality like Alky control. I have two LEDs in my car, one that tells me when I am starting to get low on Methanol and one that turns red (Pressure tests each time I get near boost to check everything) and turns green to let me know it's active. Fail safe for the kit is awesome and it's the only real kit that you can run 100% pure methanol with... Snow recommends you run 50/50 because their pump cannot handle the strength of straight meth.
As for tuning, my tuner built in safety in his tune so that if for some reason your IAT's raise (Because you forgot your low level was on and it can't spray) it will not advance the timing and your car will just bog down. It won't hurt anything since it's a fail safe.
The tuner I went to and recommend is Lidio visit his site http://www.alternativeauto.com/
To be honest, he sat with me in the car tuning it for about 6 hours and I paid the same price another tuner in our area charges. His site has a section dedicated to methanol injection and he has put it on at least 100 cars with no issues at all for the last 3 or 4 years. I will NEVER go to ANY tuner other then him and I prob. will end up going back in the winter time because he is going to end up building my short block with forged internals. In all seriousness, he is the most thorough tuner that I know of and someone who actually cares about his customer's cars like I said 6 hours he spent with me on the Dyno for about $500 bucks- He explained everything he changed in the tune and even took me out for a test drive in it and then switched seats and let me take it out to make sure everything was running good and no issues.
If you have any other questions, ask here or email me
EDIT: I should also advise you that if your not boosting you are not shooting methanol obviously, just so you know. Also, right now in the city and thruway I get 18 miles to the gallon
Thanks for taking the time and writing sucha in depth response..the result's sound great after its done but sounds like it might turn into a pain in the ass getting everything figured out..they say 450 is pushing the envelope on the 2v's.i'd be happy around 425. just gotta figure out how to get there(i guess i could get a smaller pulley)...open to idea's
was just curious what kinda HP i could pick up with the meth & obv a better tune..i really should just build my motor but with me having to buy a new winter car that idea went out the window for this winter
...would like to get the car up to it's envalope hp level or close to it...if it blows then i guess its time to build it haha...430rwhp would be nice. so gotta get a 35rwhp increase somehow..wuts you idea's?
...would like to get the car up to it's envalope hp level or close to it...if it blows then i guess its time to build it haha...430rwhp would be nice. so gotta get a 35rwhp increase somehow..wuts you idea's?
was just curious what kinda HP i could pick up with the meth & obv a better tune..i really should just build my motor but with me having to buy a new winter car that idea went out the window for this winter...would like to get the car up to it's envalope hp level or close to it...if it blows then i guess its time to build it haha...430rwhp would be nice. so gotta get a 35rwhp increase somehow..wuts you idea's?
...would like to get the car up to it's envalope hp level or close to it...if it blows then i guess its time to build it haha...430rwhp would be nice. so gotta get a 35rwhp increase somehow..wuts you idea's?
What is your combo?
03GT 4.6L with Kenne Bell 2.1L intercooled...9psi pulley with the Kenne Bell cold air kit..making 9.9 PSI 394.5rwhp and 433tq...this is with the tune right from KB..so i'm sure it could be tweeked for more hp even tho they set not 2?..just trying 2 get my best bang for my buck on my next mods to get the car up to around 430rwhp
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